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Karaluch
Messages : 2 Date d'inscription : 03/03/2012 Localisation : Warsaw (Poland)
| Sujet: A mysterious Carboniferous plant fossil - please help ID Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 19:32 | |
| Me and my friend would like to ask for your help. I see one of you is a real expert (Bruno Vallois). This specimen has been circling throughout the net form some years now, but no ID so far. The sandstone comes from Upper Silesia (Poland) and can be dated as Namurian C - Westphalian A. Here are the photos:
Original sandstone: http://www.paleontologia.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37 Silicone cast: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php/topic/27954-enigmatic-carb-fossil-plant/ | |
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bruno vallois Modérateur
Messages : 1794 Date d'inscription : 15/09/2008 Localisation : un fossileux du 62 arrivé en Isère
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 20:06 | |
| Hi Karaluch Décidément notre forum devient international ,un ami de Pologne nous a rejoint !!!!
Je pense que tu as trouvé le morphogenre : Halonia tortuosa Lindley § Hutton ,c''est une partie de l'arbre Lepidophloios qui porte les strobus ,chaque bosse correspond au point d 'attachement d 'un strobus ...,malheureusement l'écorce n'est pas préservée entre les mamelons , elle aurait permis une identification formelle ....Mes félicitations pour cette belle découverte .... I think you found morphogenus : Halonia tortuosa Lindley § Hutton , it is a part à Lepidophloios tree who bears the strobus ,each bump corresponds to the point of attachment of a strobus ,Unfortunately, the bark is not conserved between the nipples , it would have to give a positive identification....,congratulations for this nice finding .... look to this link ....
Best regards
https://i.servimg.com/u/f20/13/00/15/73/haloni10.jpg
https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/13/00/15/73/haloni10.jpg
Bruno
Dernière édition par bruno vallois le Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 20:25, édité 1 fois | |
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Karaluch
Messages : 2 Date d'inscription : 03/03/2012 Localisation : Warsaw (Poland)
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 3 Mar 2012 - 20:18 | |
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Pouicpouic Admin
Messages : 1472 Date d'inscription : 14/09/2008 Age : 67 Localisation : Essonne
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Dim 4 Mar 2012 - 19:28 | |
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Dawid Mazurek
Messages : 26 Date d'inscription : 17/03/2012
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 17 Mar 2012 - 16:40 | |
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Pouicpouic Admin
Messages : 1472 Date d'inscription : 14/09/2008 Age : 67 Localisation : Essonne
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Dim 18 Mar 2012 - 9:03 | |
| _________________ Philippe
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Dawid Mazurek
Messages : 26 Date d'inscription : 17/03/2012
| Sujet: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 14:14 | |
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dud
Messages : 252 Date d'inscription : 07/11/2008 Age : 71 Localisation : Le NOOORD
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 15:11 | |
| your photos are too small, we can't see anything specific enough!! repeat of closer pictures! dud | |
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Dawid Mazurek
Messages : 26 Date d'inscription : 17/03/2012
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 15:44 | |
| I'm sorry - I've pasted thumbnail links! These should be fine:
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img29/9525/p5050001t.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img710/7562/p5050003.jpg
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img713/9200/p5050006m.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img441/6224/p5050008.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img515/6788/p5050009.jpg | |
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Dawid Mazurek
Messages : 26 Date d'inscription : 17/03/2012
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 16:01 | |
| Oh - I see previously I've made the same mistake, these are photos for my March's post:
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img694/8113/27642464.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img40/9334/69467828.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img820/1181/24158555.jpg
(These are still not of great quality, though.)
Sorry, for the mess in this thread!!! | |
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bruno vallois Modérateur
Messages : 1794 Date d'inscription : 15/09/2008 Localisation : un fossileux du 62 arrivé en Isère
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 16:11 | |
| - Dawid Mazurek a écrit:
- How would you classify these?
Hi David the first specimen is similar to Cordaites leaves, we see parallel lines resembling the ribs of the leaves, you would think a plant stem articulated, morph Calamites, which also shows parallel ribs, but the absence of the node 'away from it, this is my humble opinion....... the second could be a sigillariostrobus axis like this one ....... https://i.servimg.com/u/f40/13/00/15/73/13291710.jpg best regards Bruno | |
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Dawid Mazurek
Messages : 26 Date d'inscription : 17/03/2012
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 16:24 | |
| Thank you very much! I thought about Cordaites leave, but wouldn't the fossil be to thick for that? https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img710/7562/p5050003.jpg What about Sigillaria-like stem? I would appreciate the help with these too: - Dawid Mazurek a écrit:
- A lycopodiophyte (lepidodendral?) shoot and two leaves of different species of pteridophyte/pteridospermatophyte, I imagine.
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img694/8113/27642464.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img40/9334/69467828.jpg https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img820/1181/24158555.jpg | |
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bruno vallois Modérateur
Messages : 1794 Date d'inscription : 15/09/2008 Localisation : un fossileux du 62 arrivé en Isère
| Sujet: Re: Polish (Upper Silesia) Upper Carboniferous finds Sam 5 Mai 2012 - 18:57 | |
| Bonsoir Dawid
Oui ce spécimen me semble épais , mais il existe différentes formes de feuilles de cordaites , les unes sont charnues ,à bords paralléles ,d 'autres sont obtuses ,certaines sont courtes et pointues ,ou à extrémités arrondies ......
Yes this specimen seems thick, but there are different forms of Cordaites leaves ,some are fleshy, with parallel-sided, some are obtuse shape, some are short and pointed or rounded ends....
https://i.servimg.com/u/f60/13/00/15/73/img17510.jpg
best regards
Bruno | |
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